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Anbefalt av 1RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 17.07.08 19:25
(Svar til: laden)
I yesterday got the message that the first part of the book "1ooo Mistakes in the Quran" is just days away from Internet. Let us hope the time is correct this time.
First out will be "Mistaken facts".
Next time: "Islam and war/jihad". (Actually chapter 3 in the book in my 2005 edition).
Then other kinds of non-religious mistakes will follow.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
First out will be "Mistaken facts".
Next time: "Islam and war/jihad". (Actually chapter 3 in the book in my 2005 edition).
Then other kinds of non-religious mistakes will follow.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
Anbefalt av 1RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 15.07.08 21:03
(Svar til: KARTAL)
KARTAL skrev:
4.Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
yes, while others as you acknowledge can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
while others as can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
Hello, Al-Taqiyya. 4.Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
yes, while others as you acknowledge can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
while others as can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
You present one more example of al-taqiyya - because you know better than what you say.
But one thing first - a fact we have discussed before: If you want to compare two religions, you have to compare teaching with teaching, use with use, disuse with disuse.
If one does like you; compare the teaching - and even glorified wrong statements - with disuse in another religion like you do, you can pick and choose any answer you will. But the only thing those answers will have in common, is that they are wrong - and that they sometimes are good propaganda. And good taqiyya.
You know as well as anyone else, that NT does not accept lies. Any lie from Christians is against the religion.
Whereas in Islam you have al-taqiyya - the lawful lie.
And you are lying - using al-taqiyya? - when you say it can be used only in life-threatening situations, and this fact is so well known, that you KNOW it. All the same you say what you say.
Al-taqiyya can be used at least for this:
1. To get you out of danger (as you said).
2. To produce peace in, among or between (a) group(s). Muhammad did it to get peace among his women, included his wives.
3. To deceive women - also this way Muhammad used it.
4. To secure money. The great Muhammad told a man he could lie and cheat to get his money from Mecca to Medina.
5. To promote Islam.
6. In war - "war is betrial" Muhammad said. And remember that some Muslims reckon every disagreement with the non-Muslim societies for part of a war.
Christians can not lie without sinning.
Muslims sometimes have to lie in order not to sin - and have permission to lie in so many cases, that it is difficult to trust Muslims unless they produce real proofs (a problem Muslims and Islam have brought on themselves).
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
Anbefalt av 1RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 13.07.08 15:17
(Svar til: KARTAL)
I take 5 mistakes each time - and here are five (quoted from Yusuf Ali):
019 2/101: "And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah - - -". Can a man making so many mistakes in the book he dictated - presumebly on behalf of Allah - really be a messenger from an omniscient god and speak on his behalf? Or if Allah made no mistakes, but the book is faked - is he and it then from Allah? An omniscient god simply does not send down a book or use a messenger with/making so many mistakes etc. in elementary science. Think of Muhammad as a man wanting to be a leader of a strong and devoted group - could the Quran possibly fit his aspirations better? - the book is like made to measure for such a man.
020 2/101: "(Muhammad was#) confirming what (= the Bible, etc.#) was with them (Jews and Christians#)". Wrong. There are so many fundamental differences between Islam and the Bible, and especially NT - many and deep differences - that the Quran in no way is confirming the Bible. NT/Jesus always talking pease or intellectual fighting versus the Quran in Medina talking mainly war and killing and rape and suppression. And "the lost lamb" versus "feel nothing for the ones heading for Hell". Etc.
021 2/113: "Yet they (Jews and Christians#) (profess to) study the same Book". This is only partly true. Jews study OT. Christians build their religion on the much milder and more human NT, with OT mainly as historical background. This is a fact often forgotten or "forgotten" when one talks about the Christian religion - especially when one wants to paint the religion as black as possible.
0Ac 2/116: "They say,`Allah has begotten a son`(which the Quran vehemently denies - if Jesus is the son of God/Yahweh, he is a greater prophet than Muhammad#)". But Jesus often called God/Yahweh father - there were many, many witnesses to this. If he spoke the truth - and even the Quran says he was an honest person - that in case means the Quran is wrong once more.
022 2/125: "- - - take ye the Station of Abraham (in/near Kabah#)- - -". Wrong. Abraham can never have been in Mecca (this will be explained under 2/127 next time).
Comments?
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
019 2/101: "And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah - - -". Can a man making so many mistakes in the book he dictated - presumebly on behalf of Allah - really be a messenger from an omniscient god and speak on his behalf? Or if Allah made no mistakes, but the book is faked - is he and it then from Allah? An omniscient god simply does not send down a book or use a messenger with/making so many mistakes etc. in elementary science. Think of Muhammad as a man wanting to be a leader of a strong and devoted group - could the Quran possibly fit his aspirations better? - the book is like made to measure for such a man.
020 2/101: "(Muhammad was#) confirming what (= the Bible, etc.#) was with them (Jews and Christians#)". Wrong. There are so many fundamental differences between Islam and the Bible, and especially NT - many and deep differences - that the Quran in no way is confirming the Bible. NT/Jesus always talking pease or intellectual fighting versus the Quran in Medina talking mainly war and killing and rape and suppression. And "the lost lamb" versus "feel nothing for the ones heading for Hell". Etc.
021 2/113: "Yet they (Jews and Christians#) (profess to) study the same Book". This is only partly true. Jews study OT. Christians build their religion on the much milder and more human NT, with OT mainly as historical background. This is a fact often forgotten or "forgotten" when one talks about the Christian religion - especially when one wants to paint the religion as black as possible.
0Ac 2/116: "They say,`Allah has begotten a son`(which the Quran vehemently denies - if Jesus is the son of God/Yahweh, he is a greater prophet than Muhammad#)". But Jesus often called God/Yahweh father - there were many, many witnesses to this. If he spoke the truth - and even the Quran says he was an honest person - that in case means the Quran is wrong once more.
022 2/125: "- - - take ye the Station of Abraham (in/near Kabah#)- - -". Wrong. Abraham can never have been in Mecca (this will be explained under 2/127 next time).
Comments?
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
Anbefalt av 1RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 13.07.08 14:34
(Svar til: Gillius)
Takk for helsinga.
Når det gjeld Kartal har han ikkje røpa stor evne til sjølvstendig, kritisk tenking. Og skuldinga han kom med mot ein annan debattant, er som De seier, i realiteten kriminell - den han kom med mot meg, var over streken, og den han kom med mot KyniskKaffir (kaffir = ikkje-muslim eller vantru), var over grensa for injurie.
Det kjem nokre fleire feil i dag. Eg legg inn 5 og 5 i slengen. I tillegg har eg fått informasjon om at tilrettelegginga av boka "1000 Mistakes in the Quran" for Internet, går framover - vesentleg saktare enn planlagd. men framover. Det er eit løynleg håp om at i alle fall hovedkapittela (1 og 3) kan koma på nettet om 2-3 veker. Der er dei fleste feila lagde fram - dei som var med i 2007-utgåva. Det er funne nokre fleire, og i tillegg vonar ein at lesarar kan gjera ein merksam på evt. oversedde punkt, så ein får med tilnerma alle klare feil.
Eg må tilstå at studiet av grunnlitteraturen bak Islam har skremt meg ikkje lite - slik den står fram i Koranen, er det ein rå og brutal krigarreligion som i tilleg er sterkt religiøst diskriminerande og undertrykkande. Det gode ein skal vera merksam på, er at majoriteten av muslimar/muhammedanarar ikkje lever etter dei brutale sidene ved religionen. Men ein kan og vera merksam på at dei som lever strengt etter boka, er dei konservative og terroristane - det er ikkje sant at terroristar misbrukar Koranen for å finna støtte for tankane og gjerneingane side - dei lever etter boka!
Good Luck.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
Når det gjeld Kartal har han ikkje røpa stor evne til sjølvstendig, kritisk tenking. Og skuldinga han kom med mot ein annan debattant, er som De seier, i realiteten kriminell - den han kom med mot meg, var over streken, og den han kom med mot KyniskKaffir (kaffir = ikkje-muslim eller vantru), var over grensa for injurie.
Det kjem nokre fleire feil i dag. Eg legg inn 5 og 5 i slengen. I tillegg har eg fått informasjon om at tilrettelegginga av boka "1000 Mistakes in the Quran" for Internet, går framover - vesentleg saktare enn planlagd. men framover. Det er eit løynleg håp om at i alle fall hovedkapittela (1 og 3) kan koma på nettet om 2-3 veker. Der er dei fleste feila lagde fram - dei som var med i 2007-utgåva. Det er funne nokre fleire, og i tillegg vonar ein at lesarar kan gjera ein merksam på evt. oversedde punkt, så ein får med tilnerma alle klare feil.
Eg må tilstå at studiet av grunnlitteraturen bak Islam har skremt meg ikkje lite - slik den står fram i Koranen, er det ein rå og brutal krigarreligion som i tilleg er sterkt religiøst diskriminerande og undertrykkande. Det gode ein skal vera merksam på, er at majoriteten av muslimar/muhammedanarar ikkje lever etter dei brutale sidene ved religionen. Men ein kan og vera merksam på at dei som lever strengt etter boka, er dei konservative og terroristane - det er ikkje sant at terroristar misbrukar Koranen for å finna støtte for tankane og gjerneingane side - dei lever etter boka!
Good Luck.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
Anbefalt av 1RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 12.07.08 06:27
(Svar til: laden)
laden skrev:
It seems me that the Muslims on this fora have given in, and accepts a lost debate.
But I will post some more mistakes from the Quran tomorrow or Sunday.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
It seems me that the Muslims on this fora have given in, and accepts a lost debate.
But I will post some more mistakes from the Quran tomorrow or Sunday.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
GRATULERER!
Du har spredd kunnskap på et tema svært få hadde dybdekjennskap til.
Det ser ut til at både KARTAL og Altin har lagt inn årene. De er svar skyldig og har vel fått mye å tenke på fremover.
Med snart 135.000 "hits" så bekrefter dette at tråden har engasjert.
Vel, vi får bare telle på fingrene hvor lang tid det vil ta før førsnevnte kommer med nye falske anklager mot deg, og i verste fall hevder at han nå har mottatt en ny melding fra deg, der en annen debattant (KyniskKaffir) "innrømmer" at han er pedofil og barnemishandler.
Skitne knep som dette er et kriminelt lovbrudd som burde fordømmes på det sterkeste. At ikke Moderator kaster han på dør for slike ærekrenkelser mot KyniskKaffir er en gåte.
Aldri så galt at det kan være godt for noe. Islam er nå avslørt og avkledd på mange felt, og jeg tror det norske folk nå har fått øynene opp for hva vi har i vente om noen 10-år.
Fotsett med dine bomber med kirurgisk presisjon mot koranens falske tekst, inn til alle "1000 mistakes in the koran" ligger på bordet.
Keep up the good work.
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Tidligere motdebattant:
"Muslimene er ikke slik du fremstiller dem. For jeg kjenner 2 muslimer som drikker aquavit til svineribbe".
Anbefalt av 2RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 10.07.08 19:46
(Svar til: KARTAL)
It seems me that the Muslims on this fora have given in, and accepts a lost debate.
But I will post some more mistakes from the Quran tomorrow or Sunday.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
But I will post some more mistakes from the Quran tomorrow or Sunday.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
Anbefalt av 1RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 08.07.08 21:17
(Svar til: Gillius)
You forgot the story about the man who asked Muhammad if he could lie in Mecca to get his money out from that town and to Medinah. Muhammad answered: "Do it".
A Muslim concequently can use al-taqiyya also for money. Because Muhammad is the perfect exemple, and he said so.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
A Muslim concequently can use al-taqiyya also for money. Because Muhammad is the perfect exemple, and he said so.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
Anbefalt av 1RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 08.07.08 10:45
(Svar til: laden)
Jeg tror det er mange som er uvitende om hva taqiyya og kitman er. Noen hevder sågar at dette ikke eksisterer, og dette er også en taqiyya-løgn.
At taqiyya og kitman praktiseres også i vår tid hersker det ingen tvil om:
http://jihadwatch.org...
"It has been quite an effort to prevent Infidels from getting the wrong (that is to say, the right) impression of Islam, at least until such time as Muslims in the West currently singing the praises of “pluralism” no longer have need for Infidel good will and tolerance. To date, the twin techniques of “Taqiyya” and Tu-Quoque have been relied on. “Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is “kitman,” which is defined as “mental reservation.” An example of “Taqiyya” would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that “of course” there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur’anic verse -- “There shall be no compulsion in religion.” But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about “no compulsion in religion” has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, “compulsion in religion” for Muslims, and for non-Muslims. The “compulsion” for Muslims comes from the treatment of apostasy as an act punishable by death. And though “dhimmis” are allowed to practice their religion, they do so under conditions of such burdens and restrictions that many, not as an act of conscience but rather as a response to inexorable Muslim pressure, have converted (or “reverted”) to Islam.
“Kitman” is close to “taqiyya,” but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with “mental reservation” justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that “jihad” really means “a spiritual struggle,” and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing “kitman.” When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from “the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad” and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a “weak” hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing “kitman.”
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Tidligere motdebattant:
"Muslimene er ikke slik du fremstiller dem. For jeg kjenner 2 muslimer som drikker aquavit til svineribbe".
Anbefalt av 1RE: Many mistakes in the Quran. 07.07.08 22:40
(Svar til: KARTAL)
Miss Taqiyya (miss = not to hit a goal, to be short of something, and a few more meanings.)
You are running out of arguments, though not of slander, bad words, and blindness.
It is very obvious that a people who through the generations has slaughtered thousands and thousandas and thousands of cows, quartered them and prepared the meat, the fat and much of the entrails, etc. for food, knew exactly what and where the different parts of the carcass was. In the older times in Norway, too, when the farmers did the slaughtering at home, there never was any doubt about what was what and where in an animal - included in a cow.
But today most people live in towns, and do not think that far when a dishonest imam or something tells that the people of the old could not know such things, because those things were inside the cow. The naive ones - used to buy their meat in the market or wrapped in plastic in the shop - sometimes even believe the fairy tales about impossible knowledge and al-taqiyya miracles.
Your other dreamt up or al-taqiyya "miracles":
1. Muhammad "knew" the celestical bodies travelled in circular patterns, simply because that is what they seems to do - have you ever looked at the night sky long enough to see how the firmament seems to move - and because the Greek and Persian science told everybody that it was so. It simply was the astronomy of the time of Muhammad.
The bad thing for Muhammad and for you, is that it is wrong. There are many, MANY, celestical bodies NOT moving in circles, but in ovals or parabels or even in hyperbels.
Besides the Quran does not know what the celestical bodies were, except that they were small, shining points fastened to the 7 heavens (the stars to the lowermost) and they could be used as weapons for chasing away jinns, ets. That had been a real miracle, in case.
No miracle here - especially since the Quran is wrong also on this point.
2. The atmosphere is nowhere in the Quran described as an atmosphere - the air is something you breath and something the birds move through, kept up by the will of Allah, not by the aerodynamic laws. If you want to correct me, give me the verse number.
3. The Quran nowhere talks about the rivers in the oceans. It talks about a divide between "the two waters" - salt and fresh water. But that also is a rather artificial - there is no divide mainly. The two kinds of water are kept apart by natural reasons, not by a divide. And if there should be a verse I have overlooked: Streaming in water never was a secret.
4. In the way the Quran describes the creation it is clear Muhammad knew little about the sky, not to mention the universe: The 7 heavens and the flat Earth (with the other Earths mentioned in the Quran said by Islam to be placed under "our" Earth - wrong) were pulled away from each other (wrong: Earth and the sky never were two parts that were split - and I know BIG BANG. Neither did they at any time "come together". On this flat Earth Allah had put down mountains (wrong; all mountains grow up) so as the Earth should not start vibrating (wrong - a mountain is not a stabilizing factor in nature, but a destabilizing one. It often is made to the tone of earth-quakes, and it sometimes may cause such quakes also later). Over the Earth there are 7 heavens "one above the other" carried by coloumns "you cannot see", and decorated with stars, etc. Yes, the Quran has an impressive knowledge about the universe. But ytterly wrong, and entirely like the Greek and Persian astronomy at the time of Muhammad. Any god had known better. And also a strange creature believing that when the Quran says 7 heavens, one above the other, (which is an English expression for many being stacked on top of each other).
5. The develloping of the foetus? That knowledge came as easy as the knowledge about the milk gland - from slaughtering. And remember that the old Arabs "slaughtered" humans, too. The goodhearted and kind first Muslims, serving a good and benevolent god, did f. ex. tie a woman between two camels and tore her apart alive, according to Muhammad Ibn Ishaq. And in addition the description in the Quran is wrong, as the bones comes well after the first soft tissue.
Your stated miracles at best simply is lack of knowledge, and al-taqiyya if not.
But you may be right: The Quran here may be is as clear and specific as it is able to be.
Your quotes further down has nothing to do with the discussed topics. A kind of "warning" I guess. Which once more tells you are running out of real arguments.
PS: You and all others will have to excuse me for writing little for the time being. Untill medio Nowember I will be pretty short of time.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
You are running out of arguments, though not of slander, bad words, and blindness.
It is very obvious that a people who through the generations has slaughtered thousands and thousandas and thousands of cows, quartered them and prepared the meat, the fat and much of the entrails, etc. for food, knew exactly what and where the different parts of the carcass was. In the older times in Norway, too, when the farmers did the slaughtering at home, there never was any doubt about what was what and where in an animal - included in a cow.
But today most people live in towns, and do not think that far when a dishonest imam or something tells that the people of the old could not know such things, because those things were inside the cow. The naive ones - used to buy their meat in the market or wrapped in plastic in the shop - sometimes even believe the fairy tales about impossible knowledge and al-taqiyya miracles.
Your other dreamt up or al-taqiyya "miracles":
1. Muhammad "knew" the celestical bodies travelled in circular patterns, simply because that is what they seems to do - have you ever looked at the night sky long enough to see how the firmament seems to move - and because the Greek and Persian science told everybody that it was so. It simply was the astronomy of the time of Muhammad.
The bad thing for Muhammad and for you, is that it is wrong. There are many, MANY, celestical bodies NOT moving in circles, but in ovals or parabels or even in hyperbels.
Besides the Quran does not know what the celestical bodies were, except that they were small, shining points fastened to the 7 heavens (the stars to the lowermost) and they could be used as weapons for chasing away jinns, ets. That had been a real miracle, in case.
No miracle here - especially since the Quran is wrong also on this point.
2. The atmosphere is nowhere in the Quran described as an atmosphere - the air is something you breath and something the birds move through, kept up by the will of Allah, not by the aerodynamic laws. If you want to correct me, give me the verse number.
3. The Quran nowhere talks about the rivers in the oceans. It talks about a divide between "the two waters" - salt and fresh water. But that also is a rather artificial - there is no divide mainly. The two kinds of water are kept apart by natural reasons, not by a divide. And if there should be a verse I have overlooked: Streaming in water never was a secret.
4. In the way the Quran describes the creation it is clear Muhammad knew little about the sky, not to mention the universe: The 7 heavens and the flat Earth (with the other Earths mentioned in the Quran said by Islam to be placed under "our" Earth - wrong) were pulled away from each other (wrong: Earth and the sky never were two parts that were split - and I know BIG BANG. Neither did they at any time "come together". On this flat Earth Allah had put down mountains (wrong; all mountains grow up) so as the Earth should not start vibrating (wrong - a mountain is not a stabilizing factor in nature, but a destabilizing one. It often is made to the tone of earth-quakes, and it sometimes may cause such quakes also later). Over the Earth there are 7 heavens "one above the other" carried by coloumns "you cannot see", and decorated with stars, etc. Yes, the Quran has an impressive knowledge about the universe. But ytterly wrong, and entirely like the Greek and Persian astronomy at the time of Muhammad. Any god had known better. And also a strange creature believing that when the Quran says 7 heavens, one above the other, (which is an English expression for many being stacked on top of each other).
5. The develloping of the foetus? That knowledge came as easy as the knowledge about the milk gland - from slaughtering. And remember that the old Arabs "slaughtered" humans, too. The goodhearted and kind first Muslims, serving a good and benevolent god, did f. ex. tie a woman between two camels and tore her apart alive, according to Muhammad Ibn Ishaq. And in addition the description in the Quran is wrong, as the bones comes well after the first soft tissue.
Your stated miracles at best simply is lack of knowledge, and al-taqiyya if not.
But you may be right: The Quran here may be is as clear and specific as it is able to be.
Your quotes further down has nothing to do with the discussed topics. A kind of "warning" I guess. Which once more tells you are running out of real arguments.
PS: You and all others will have to excuse me for writing little for the time being. Untill medio Nowember I will be pretty short of time.
1."1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" comes on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) giving only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permit to lie. Only Islam has this word
Anbefalt av 1RE: Mange feil i Koranen. 06.07.08 20:46
(Svar til: KARTAL)
KARTAL skrev:
du kan dra med det argumentet lenger inn i helvete.
der blir den kanskje trodd.
Ha ha. Ser ut som noen er tom for argumenter her ihvertfall. du kan dra med det argumentet lenger inn i helvete.
der blir den kanskje trodd.
Tenk også over dette:
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The quran puts the creation in this order
Fertilisation
cell formation
bones
flesh
In fact, flesh formation begins before bone structure. "Cellular division forming bone tissue takes place after flesh and organs begin developing"
http://en.wikipedia.o...
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Ser ut som den allvitende guden og muhammed (soh) dreit seg ut igjen gitt.
Anbefalt av 1RE: Mange feil i Koranen. 05.07.08 09:42
(Svar til: KARTAL)
KARTAL skrev:
fru løgner
mirakel:
koranen forteller hvor melken produseres i kua nøyaktig.
mirakelet er at det var vitenskapelig umulig å vite dette den tiden da koranen åpenbart.
det er en mirakel.
(...)
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mirakel:
koranen forteller hvor melken produseres i kua nøyaktig.
mirakelet er at det var vitenskapelig umulig å vite dette den tiden da koranen åpenbart.
det er en mirakel.
(...)
Etter din mening finnes mange mirakler i koranen. Her er ett av disse som forteller oss om skapelsen av menneskene. Og du hevder at koranen gir vitenskapelige bevis?!
Sura 23:13, 23:14 og 23:15 forteller Allah "den evige sannhet" om hvordan mennesket er skapt (oversatt til dansk av A. Madsen, Islam International Publications Ltd. 1989):
"Vi (Allah) har visselig skabt mennesket af et udtræk af ler. Derpå har vi gjort det til en dråbe på et sikkert sted. Derpå skapte vi dråben om til sammenløbet blod og skabte det sammenløbne blod til en klump...".
Denne "kunnskapen" må du dra lenger inn i ørkenen med. Der blir den kanskje trodd.
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Tidligere motdebattant:
"Muslimene er ikke slik du fremstiller dem. For jeg kjenner 2 muslimer som drikker aquavit til svineribbe".
Anbefalt av 0RE: Mange feil i Koranen. 04.07.08 23:24
(Svar til: laden)
fru løgner
mirakel:
koranen forteller hvor melken produseres i kua nøyaktig.
mirakelet er at det var vitenskapelig umulig å vite dette den tiden da koranen åpenbart.
det er en mirakel.
selv er din slakter teori facinerende, NOT.
det er heller en bortforklaring som alltid.
hvordan visste koranen at alle himmellegemer beveger segi en sirkel?
hvordan visste koranen om atmosfæren?
hvordan visste koranen om skillene og elvene i havet?
hvordan visste koranen om universets utvikling?
hvordan visste koranen om fosterets utvikling?
dette er blant noen av de miraklene.
koranen er så klar på dette som det går an å bli
"006.067
YUSUFALI: For every message is a limit of time, and soon shall ye know it."
PICKTHAL: For every announcement there is a term, and ye will come to know.
SHAKIR: For every prophecy is a term, and you will come to know (it).
006.068
YUSUFALI: When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.
PICKTHAL: And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And when you see those who enter into false discourses about Our communications, withdraw from them until they enter into some other discourse, and if the Shaitan causes you to forget, then do not sit after recollection with the unjust people.
006.069
YUSUFALI: On their account no responsibility falls on the righteous, but (their duty) is to remind them, that they may (learn to) fear Allah.
PICKTHAL: Those who ward off (evil) are not accountable for them in aught, but the Reminder (must be given them) that haply they (too) may ward off (evil).
SHAKIR: And nought of the reckoning of their (deeds) shall be against those who guard (against evil), but (theirs) is only to remind, haply they may guard.
006.070
YUSUFALI: Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah: if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.
PICKTHAL: And forsake those who take their religion for a pastime and a jest, and whom the life of the world beguileth. Remind (mankind) hereby lest a soul be destroyed by what it earneth. It hath beside Allah no protecting ally nor intercessor, and though it offer every compensation it will not be accepted from it. Those are they who perish by their own deserts. For them is drink of boiling water and a painful doom, because they disbelieved.
SHAKIR: And leave those who have taken their religion for a play and an idle sport, and whom this world's life has deceived, and remind (them) thereby lest a soul should be given up to destruction for what it has earned; it shall not have besides Allah any guardian nor an intercessor, and if it should seek to give every compensation, it shall not be accepted from it; these are they who shall be given up to destruction for what they earned; they shall have a drink of boiling water and a painful chastisement because they disbelieved. "
http://www.miraclesof...
blant mange mirakler
mirakel:
koranen forteller hvor melken produseres i kua nøyaktig.
mirakelet er at det var vitenskapelig umulig å vite dette den tiden da koranen åpenbart.
det er en mirakel.
selv er din slakter teori facinerende, NOT.
det er heller en bortforklaring som alltid.
hvordan visste koranen at alle himmellegemer beveger segi en sirkel?
hvordan visste koranen om atmosfæren?
hvordan visste koranen om skillene og elvene i havet?
hvordan visste koranen om universets utvikling?
hvordan visste koranen om fosterets utvikling?
dette er blant noen av de miraklene.
koranen er så klar på dette som det går an å bli
"006.067
YUSUFALI: For every message is a limit of time, and soon shall ye know it."
PICKTHAL: For every announcement there is a term, and ye will come to know.
SHAKIR: For every prophecy is a term, and you will come to know (it).
006.068
YUSUFALI: When thou seest men engaged in vain discourse about Our signs, turn away from them unless they turn to a different theme. If Satan ever makes thee forget, then after recollection, sit not thou in the company of those who do wrong.
PICKTHAL: And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And when you see those who enter into false discourses about Our communications, withdraw from them until they enter into some other discourse, and if the Shaitan causes you to forget, then do not sit after recollection with the unjust people.
006.069
YUSUFALI: On their account no responsibility falls on the righteous, but (their duty) is to remind them, that they may (learn to) fear Allah.
PICKTHAL: Those who ward off (evil) are not accountable for them in aught, but the Reminder (must be given them) that haply they (too) may ward off (evil).
SHAKIR: And nought of the reckoning of their (deeds) shall be against those who guard (against evil), but (theirs) is only to remind, haply they may guard.
006.070
YUSUFALI: Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except Allah: if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting Allah.
PICKTHAL: And forsake those who take their religion for a pastime and a jest, and whom the life of the world beguileth. Remind (mankind) hereby lest a soul be destroyed by what it earneth. It hath beside Allah no protecting ally nor intercessor, and though it offer every compensation it will not be accepted from it. Those are they who perish by their own deserts. For them is drink of boiling water and a painful doom, because they disbelieved.
SHAKIR: And leave those who have taken their religion for a play and an idle sport, and whom this world's life has deceived, and remind (them) thereby lest a soul should be given up to destruction for what it has earned; it shall not have besides Allah any guardian nor an intercessor, and if it should seek to give every compensation, it shall not be accepted from it; these are they who shall be given up to destruction for what they earned; they shall have a drink of boiling water and a painful chastisement because they disbelieved. "
http://www.miraclesof...
blant mange mirakler
Anbefalt av 2RE: Mange feil i Koranen. 04.07.08 23:01
(Svar til: KARTAL)
KARTAL skrev:
4.Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
yes, while others as you acknowledge can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
while others as can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
yes, while others as you acknowledge can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
while others as can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
Og her kom en ny taqiyya-løgn!
Les om sannheten her:
http://www.answering-...
More information is provided by William Muir's "Life of Mahomet", Volume I, footnote 88:
The common Moslem belief is that it is allowable to tell a falsehood on four occasions:
1st, to save one's life;
2nd, to effect a peace or reconciliation;
3rd, to persuade a woman;
4th, on the occasion of a journey or expedition.
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Tidligere motdebattant:
"Muslimene er ikke slik du fremstiller dem. For jeg kjenner 2 muslimer som drikker aquavit til svineribbe".
Anbefalt av 0RE: Mange feil i Koranen. 04.07.08 22:58
(Svar til: laden)
laden skrev:
Var det kjelen som kalla gryta svart?
1.The book "1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" will come on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that happens that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) that can give only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word. Var det kjelen som kalla gryta svart?
1.The book "1000 mistakes and errors in the Quran" will come on Internet.
2.Miracle = something that happens that contradicts the natural laws.
3.Proof = PROVED information(s) that can give only one logical conclution.
4.Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
yes, while others as you acknowledge can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
Al-Taqiyya = permition to lie in some cases. Only Islam have this word.
while others as can lie whenever they wish.
while islam permits only in life threatining situations.
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