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Anbefalt av 0Losing war in Afghanistan and Western Hypocrisy! 12.10.09 02:17
Aftenposten after a long time has a chiiling picture on the frontpage (this night) depicting in pictures <<Et økende antall kister med unge menn og kvinner, deriblant amerikanske, afghanske, britiske, italienske, franske og spanske, er resultatet av mullah Omars voldsomme comeback etter flukten på motorsykkel i 2001>>
http://media.aftenpos...
http://www.aftenposte...in a way glorifies the <<Mullah Omars voldsomme tilbakekomst
Bare fire personer vet hvor han er, og bare en liten krets vet hvem de fire er. Gjennom >>
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Surprising this comes within days of the Nobel Prize for a non-existenct peace in which the USA among all countries played the most dubious role-
Let's recapture once again (100th time at least in this forum)
1977 - Afghanistan - a mountanous state with own way of life ...no terror ..no religious fanaticsm... no fundamentalism .. just old way of life
1978 - Soviet backed coup
1979-1989 US pumps arms and trained fighters from all over Middle East and the Moslem world with 100% particpation from pakistan and money from saudis.
1989 - Soviets leave
Bin laden active with huge support from the US
Taliban takes over ... various names have been called... names are irrelevant so long as the ultimate outcome is the same =the country is ruled by ultra religious fanatics backed and trained by Pakistan with money and arms from teh USA
1993 WTC bombing followed by bombs in US embassies in Africa ..
1998 Honeymoon with taliban & co continued in various forms...
2001 911
2001 US attacks and liberates Afghanistan
US declares taliban and bin laden 'perona non grata' ... Pakistan too forced to reverse their stand (at least for the world media)
2001-2008 US gives 7-10 billion dollar 'aid' to Pakistan/Musharaff
New York Times reveal that this aid also reached the hands of taliban...Obama too admits this
Pakistani military and ISI cannot forget their odl friend!
2008-09 Practially civil war in pakistan... for the first time, some in the army goes against taliban... today the support for taliban is 50:50!
2009 US, Nato and Obama make big statements while casualties mount...
The West cannot solve this problem until and unless they go back to the situation prior to 1978 and analze what went wrong... and admit their own mistakes... Afghanistan is not the source of terror but their neighbour on the east is! But that country's leaders are clever to have blue collar relationship with the West while continuing state terror policy at home!!
Aftenposten and other media seem to forget all these facts and simply vomits what the other news bureaus are broadcasting! Unlike olden days, every bit of information is on the web.. in various forms... wiki or otherwise...
Here is a brief history from Afghan Govt itself!
http://www.afghangove...
http://media.aftenpos...
http://www.aftenposte...in a way glorifies the <<Mullah Omars voldsomme tilbakekomst
Bare fire personer vet hvor han er, og bare en liten krets vet hvem de fire er. Gjennom >>
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Surprising this comes within days of the Nobel Prize for a non-existenct peace in which the USA among all countries played the most dubious role-
Let's recapture once again (100th time at least in this forum)
1977 - Afghanistan - a mountanous state with own way of life ...no terror ..no religious fanaticsm... no fundamentalism .. just old way of life
1978 - Soviet backed coup
1979-1989 US pumps arms and trained fighters from all over Middle East and the Moslem world with 100% particpation from pakistan and money from saudis.
1989 - Soviets leave
Bin laden active with huge support from the US
Taliban takes over ... various names have been called... names are irrelevant so long as the ultimate outcome is the same =the country is ruled by ultra religious fanatics backed and trained by Pakistan with money and arms from teh USA
1993 WTC bombing followed by bombs in US embassies in Africa ..
1998 Honeymoon with taliban & co continued in various forms...
2001 911
2001 US attacks and liberates Afghanistan
US declares taliban and bin laden 'perona non grata' ... Pakistan too forced to reverse their stand (at least for the world media)
2001-2008 US gives 7-10 billion dollar 'aid' to Pakistan/Musharaff
New York Times reveal that this aid also reached the hands of taliban...Obama too admits this
Pakistani military and ISI cannot forget their odl friend!
2008-09 Practially civil war in pakistan... for the first time, some in the army goes against taliban... today the support for taliban is 50:50!
2009 US, Nato and Obama make big statements while casualties mount...
The West cannot solve this problem until and unless they go back to the situation prior to 1978 and analze what went wrong... and admit their own mistakes... Afghanistan is not the source of terror but their neighbour on the east is! But that country's leaders are clever to have blue collar relationship with the West while continuing state terror policy at home!!
Aftenposten and other media seem to forget all these facts and simply vomits what the other news bureaus are broadcasting! Unlike olden days, every bit of information is on the web.. in various forms... wiki or otherwise...
Here is a brief history from Afghan Govt itself!
http://www.afghangove...
Anbefalt av 1RE: Losing war in Afghanistan and Western Hypocrisy! 12.10.09 04:55
(Svar til: VJShah)
It's way too simple to blame Pakistan. The terrorist elements based there are mostly Afghan refugees and their descendants, so it's not like the Pakistani government is the origin of their activities. I'm not sure if this could be demonstrated more clearly than through the recent actions of the Pakistani army in fighting the very same Afghan elements that also attack Pakistan, in an attempt to scare the Pakistani government into leaving them alone - as they did under the Soviet invasion. It looks like that approach has failed, guaranteeing a fairly quick end to the conflict when NATO starts their push.
I can't even imagine what you think could be accomplished by analyzing the past. Afghanistan would undoubtedly have been Soviet territory today if the US hadn't supported the Afghans. Given that, I'm sure a lot of other aspects of history had changed as well, and it may well have turned out worse than the current state. Regardless, I agree that it's important to understand what's happened. I don't really have any major objections to your historical account, except the last part... "where casualties mount..." is a pretty biased view of the conflict - to the point of being Islamist propaganda. Sure, some soldiers have died, but it's not like it's anywhere near an unexpected amount - it's war - people die, and in this case the opponents suffer vastly more, which is the whole idea.
Anyway, the past mostly teaches the west that we can't support superstitious regimes or fanatical individuals. I'm sure that mistake will not be repeated. Moving to the present day, we have groups of such fanatic people plotting mass murder in the west from enclaves in the mountain regions between Pakistan and Afghanistan. These fanatics believe they are fighting for Allah and therefore can't lose. The only way to make them believe otherwise is to show them that - yes, they can lose, and they can lose to the very people they regard as subhuman infidels. To attempt to negotiate with these people before they have been thoroughly broken is to invite future action against the west, because the root of the problem, the belief in military world domination in the name of Allah, has not been stamped out.
At this point, killing the Islamist ideology is all that matters. There is nothing the west could possibly do to halt the movement through other means. Certainly, publicly apologizing for helping the Afghans against the Soviets is just meaningless and doesn't even address the current issues, and handing military victories to Islamists will just bolster their morale and give them more followers, in an area that is hopelessly lost to superstition to begin with. For the west, the choice is simple: Fight a relatively small scale war now, or leave Afghanistan and fight a world war in 50 years after Islamist action in the west has become unbearable.
I can't even imagine what you think could be accomplished by analyzing the past. Afghanistan would undoubtedly have been Soviet territory today if the US hadn't supported the Afghans. Given that, I'm sure a lot of other aspects of history had changed as well, and it may well have turned out worse than the current state. Regardless, I agree that it's important to understand what's happened. I don't really have any major objections to your historical account, except the last part... "where casualties mount..." is a pretty biased view of the conflict - to the point of being Islamist propaganda. Sure, some soldiers have died, but it's not like it's anywhere near an unexpected amount - it's war - people die, and in this case the opponents suffer vastly more, which is the whole idea.
Anyway, the past mostly teaches the west that we can't support superstitious regimes or fanatical individuals. I'm sure that mistake will not be repeated. Moving to the present day, we have groups of such fanatic people plotting mass murder in the west from enclaves in the mountain regions between Pakistan and Afghanistan. These fanatics believe they are fighting for Allah and therefore can't lose. The only way to make them believe otherwise is to show them that - yes, they can lose, and they can lose to the very people they regard as subhuman infidels. To attempt to negotiate with these people before they have been thoroughly broken is to invite future action against the west, because the root of the problem, the belief in military world domination in the name of Allah, has not been stamped out.
At this point, killing the Islamist ideology is all that matters. There is nothing the west could possibly do to halt the movement through other means. Certainly, publicly apologizing for helping the Afghans against the Soviets is just meaningless and doesn't even address the current issues, and handing military victories to Islamists will just bolster their morale and give them more followers, in an area that is hopelessly lost to superstition to begin with. For the west, the choice is simple: Fight a relatively small scale war now, or leave Afghanistan and fight a world war in 50 years after Islamist action in the west has become unbearable.
Anbefalt av 0Obama's militære destabilisering av Pakistan 12.10.09 13:11
(Svar til: VJShah)
Hvorfor er norske politikere og journalister så fullstendig blåst i toppen for tida ? Har de fått installert Google-sperrer på sine PC-er av sine overordnede alle sammen, så de ikke skal finne informasjon som kan få dem til å begynne å tenke ?
Les hva Nyhetsspeilet skriver om den pågående destabiliseringen (dvs. militære angrep, dvs. massedrap og forsøk på å ødelegge et land, i regi av CIA og USA) av det fredelige landet Pakistan:
Destabiliseringen av Pakistan er et naturlig element i NATO/NWO’s domino-planer: Først Afghanistan, så Irak, så Pakistan, og så er det Iran da…
Dette er langsiktig NATO-målsetting som ikke er ny, og som også luftes internt på kammerset blant NATO’s egne, og ble for eksempel uttrykt slik på et lukket møte i regi av Atlanterhavskomitén i Oslo for noen år siden:
”Poenget til Asmus er at NATO fortsatt er en ytterst relevant organisasjon. Ikke som en forsvarsallianse av vestlig territorium – i første rekke europeisk – men som et demokratiseringsprosjekt for hele Midtøsten… Det nye paradigmet innebærer intet mindre enn transformasjon av samfunnene i et utvidet Midtøsten.”
Se: http://www.nytid.no/a...
Under Obama går USA’s snik-krigføring mot Pakistan sin gang, med sikte på etter hvert å etablere NATO/NWO-kontroll over landet, i henhold til NATO’s någjeldende målsetting.
Verd å merke seg er det at USAs ”etterretningsorgan” CIA nå bedriver aktiv og uprovosert krigføring mot Pakistan, bl.a. ved å sende såkalte droner, dvs. ubemannede bombefly på dødelig tokt inn i Pakistan.
For å rettferdiggjøre dette overfor den delen av opinionen som ikke har gjennomskuet spillet forer media publikum med meldinger av typen ”en god grunn” (dvs. en løgn for å skjule den virkelige grunnen) for den militære aggresjonen, f. eks. slik:
” A CIA drone strike earlier this week just missed the head of the Taliban in Pakistan, killing at least 65 people…”
http://abcnews.go.com...
”Taliban” ble skapt av USA v. CIA:
http://rupeenews.com/...
Etter de fleste solemerker væpnes, trenes og kommanderes ”Taliban” i dag av CIA, både i Afghanistan og i Pakistan. Hva kan ellers være forklaringen på Talibans uforståelige suksess på slagmarken mot verdens eneste super-armé? Illuminati’s velbrukte suksess-formel kalt “Strategy of tension“, i form av falsk flagg operasjoner og å kontrollere begge parter i en konflikt er en oppskrift som er blitt benyttet igjen og igjen gjennom historien av den usynlige makteliten.
Se: http://www.nyhetsspei...
Her er en liten kommentar til situasjonen i Afghanistan, også det fra Nyhetsspeilet:
"Obama har sendt inn titusener av nye amerikanske soldater til det fattige fjellandet som på ingen måte er en militær trusel mot USA. Hva er egentlig hensikten ? Dess mer amerikanske soldater dess mer dreping av sivile. Drepte sivile afghanere rapporteres i vestlige media under sekkebetegnelsen ”Taliban”.
Bomber USA/NATO ennå Afghanistan med utarmet uran, som er helseødeleggende på ubestemt tid ? Bruken av utarmet uran har vært så ille at selv okkupasjonssoldatene er blitt mer bekymret for sin egen helse og sædkvalitet enn for geriljaens lokale snikskyttere: http://www.globalrese..."
Les hva Nyhetsspeilet skriver om den pågående destabiliseringen (dvs. militære angrep, dvs. massedrap og forsøk på å ødelegge et land, i regi av CIA og USA) av det fredelige landet Pakistan:
Destabiliseringen av Pakistan er et naturlig element i NATO/NWO’s domino-planer: Først Afghanistan, så Irak, så Pakistan, og så er det Iran da…
Dette er langsiktig NATO-målsetting som ikke er ny, og som også luftes internt på kammerset blant NATO’s egne, og ble for eksempel uttrykt slik på et lukket møte i regi av Atlanterhavskomitén i Oslo for noen år siden:
”Poenget til Asmus er at NATO fortsatt er en ytterst relevant organisasjon. Ikke som en forsvarsallianse av vestlig territorium – i første rekke europeisk – men som et demokratiseringsprosjekt for hele Midtøsten… Det nye paradigmet innebærer intet mindre enn transformasjon av samfunnene i et utvidet Midtøsten.”
Se: http://www.nytid.no/a...
Under Obama går USA’s snik-krigføring mot Pakistan sin gang, med sikte på etter hvert å etablere NATO/NWO-kontroll over landet, i henhold til NATO’s någjeldende målsetting.
Verd å merke seg er det at USAs ”etterretningsorgan” CIA nå bedriver aktiv og uprovosert krigføring mot Pakistan, bl.a. ved å sende såkalte droner, dvs. ubemannede bombefly på dødelig tokt inn i Pakistan.
For å rettferdiggjøre dette overfor den delen av opinionen som ikke har gjennomskuet spillet forer media publikum med meldinger av typen ”en god grunn” (dvs. en løgn for å skjule den virkelige grunnen) for den militære aggresjonen, f. eks. slik:
” A CIA drone strike earlier this week just missed the head of the Taliban in Pakistan, killing at least 65 people…”
http://abcnews.go.com...
”Taliban” ble skapt av USA v. CIA:
http://rupeenews.com/...
Etter de fleste solemerker væpnes, trenes og kommanderes ”Taliban” i dag av CIA, både i Afghanistan og i Pakistan. Hva kan ellers være forklaringen på Talibans uforståelige suksess på slagmarken mot verdens eneste super-armé? Illuminati’s velbrukte suksess-formel kalt “Strategy of tension“, i form av falsk flagg operasjoner og å kontrollere begge parter i en konflikt er en oppskrift som er blitt benyttet igjen og igjen gjennom historien av den usynlige makteliten.
Se: http://www.nyhetsspei...
Her er en liten kommentar til situasjonen i Afghanistan, også det fra Nyhetsspeilet:
"Obama har sendt inn titusener av nye amerikanske soldater til det fattige fjellandet som på ingen måte er en militær trusel mot USA. Hva er egentlig hensikten ? Dess mer amerikanske soldater dess mer dreping av sivile. Drepte sivile afghanere rapporteres i vestlige media under sekkebetegnelsen ”Taliban”.
Bomber USA/NATO ennå Afghanistan med utarmet uran, som er helseødeleggende på ubestemt tid ? Bruken av utarmet uran har vært så ille at selv okkupasjonssoldatene er blitt mer bekymret for sin egen helse og sædkvalitet enn for geriljaens lokale snikskyttere: http://www.globalrese..."
Anbefalt av 0RE: Losing war in Afghanistan and Western Hypocrisy! 12.10.09 19:00
(Svar til: Illusio)
Illusio skrev:
1. It's way too simple to blame Pakistan. The terrorist elements based there are mostly Afghan refugees and their descendants, so it's not like the Pakistani government is the origin of their activities. I'm not sure if this could be demonstrated more clearly than through the recent actions of the Pakistani army in fighting the very same Afghan elements that also attack Pakistan, in an attempt to scare the Pakistani government into leaving them alone - as they did under the Soviet invasion....
2.I can't even imagine what you think could be accomplished by analyzing the past. Afghanistan would undoubtedly have been Soviet territory today if the US hadn't supported the Afghans.
A quick reply .. I may elaborate later in the week.. 1. It's way too simple to blame Pakistan. The terrorist elements based there are mostly Afghan refugees and their descendants, so it's not like the Pakistani government is the origin of their activities. I'm not sure if this could be demonstrated more clearly than through the recent actions of the Pakistani army in fighting the very same Afghan elements that also attack Pakistan, in an attempt to scare the Pakistani government into leaving them alone - as they did under the Soviet invasion....
2.I can't even imagine what you think could be accomplished by analyzing the past. Afghanistan would undoubtedly have been Soviet territory today if the US hadn't supported the Afghans.
1. You are only looking at the events - most recent events - where a section of Pakistani army and (possibily political elite and the people) are really confronting taliban. People are dying on both sides...If death is the objective, this is a good sign. But death is no one's objective, I suppose.
Since 911, Pakistan was ruled by the military where Gen Musharaff & Co got an aid worth 7 billion dollars (besides writing off many more billions)... what happened to all these money? Some were used for buying mmilitary hardware, some used for paying the old debts to Worldbank etc, and some were indeed diverted to taliban and fundamentalists!
Taliban doesn't consist of Afghan refugees... some might be there.. Mostly taliban are Pakistanis! This was made very clear during 2001 by Dr Abdullah of the Northern Alliance when he openly said on CNN many times 'taliban contains even elements of Pakistani military (those days)'.
Pakistan is the source of trouble in the whole region, in the UK and elsewhere. A majority of British terrorism has Pakistani links (google has many links)... CIA warned similarly
http://www.telegraph....
2. Analyzing past? The same reason why we read history. Here past is present .. it continues until now and beyond... The terror unleashed in Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Inodnesia, London, New York - all have a common origin: US terror-link of 1979-89 in which Pakistan too is an integral part!
Pakistani people too had a soft link for terror which they tried to justify in the name of the religion or with a hope that the same terror could be used against the big neighbour on the Eastern boarder (as seen by hijacking, bomb attacks, Mubai etc).
These terror links have nothing to do with Islam. One can, for example, go around a remote traditional place in (say) Oman and meet old but cvilized Muslims who will tell you where they stand on terrorism - whether it is the capital Muscat or Southern town of Salalah - it is the same: no one has any support for terror. They don't ever connect this to Islam. For them Islam is a religion of peace! So it was all along!
Anbefalt av 0Obama signs aid bill to Pakistan 15.10.09 22:39
(Svar til: VJShah)
PEACE PRIZE and President Obama - A JOKE ALREADY!
http://news.yahoo.com...<<WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama signed legislation on Thursday that triples non-military aid to Pakistan to about $7.5 billion over the next five years, the White House said.>>
Well, all US aids to Pakistan were classified 'non-miliary' all the time... Such non-military aids included 'F-16' and 'other numbers' under the cover. And as it happened since 911 and before 911, part of the aid ended up in training terrorists in camps around the conutry.
This week almost every day there has been terror attacks within Pakistan . Here is today's http://www.aftenposte...
Lats year Guardian, London reported that
http://www.guardian.c...<<America's massive military aid package to Pakistan has come under scrutiny after allegations that as much as 70% of $5.4bn in assistance has been misspent.
Since 2002, the US has paid the operating costs of Pakistan's military operations in the tribal belt along the Afghan border, where Taliban and al-Qaida fighters are sheltering>>
NOBEL PEACE PRICE Winner is already sailing in the wrong direction! Pakistani problem has been created by the USA (admitted by many US/Pakistani politicians in recent months - Clinton and Zradari inclusive). US gave aid to Pak to create the problem during 1979-89. Then gave aid to contain the problem. Then aid to liberate Afghanistan... Then now giving aid to 'finish off' the militants???
The only result is that CONSISTENTØy the whole country is falling in teh hand sof taliban. BBC reports http://news.bbc.co.uk...that <<It is perhaps the sheer audacity of the attacks on security installations in Lahore - and in Rawalpindi just days earlier - that has taken the authorities by surprise.>>
Pakistani Govt is still playing with words... Some of them today accused India(!) as being behind the attacks. Hoem grown Taliban has gone out of control and the political leadership which supported them all along, is trying to make dubious allegations. The West led by the USA and now OBAMA (Peace Winner) is making a joke out of the whole drama.
If this continues, Obama's Peace Prize may have to be qualified as the Worthless ever peace prize!! Mr President is being manipulated by teh war lobby of Council On Foreign relations and the CIA! http://www.cfr.org/pu...report is misleading and cannot be trusted.
US Govt and the President, if honest - honest on Peace - should have got a clear assurance from Pakistani politicians and the military that they stop once and for all, their 'state-run' terrorism! ANy aid without this is going to de-stablize not only the region, but the entire world.
http://news.yahoo.com...<<WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama signed legislation on Thursday that triples non-military aid to Pakistan to about $7.5 billion over the next five years, the White House said.>>
Well, all US aids to Pakistan were classified 'non-miliary' all the time... Such non-military aids included 'F-16' and 'other numbers' under the cover. And as it happened since 911 and before 911, part of the aid ended up in training terrorists in camps around the conutry.
This week almost every day there has been terror attacks within Pakistan . Here is today's http://www.aftenposte...
Lats year Guardian, London reported that
http://www.guardian.c...<<America's massive military aid package to Pakistan has come under scrutiny after allegations that as much as 70% of $5.4bn in assistance has been misspent.
Since 2002, the US has paid the operating costs of Pakistan's military operations in the tribal belt along the Afghan border, where Taliban and al-Qaida fighters are sheltering>>
NOBEL PEACE PRICE Winner is already sailing in the wrong direction! Pakistani problem has been created by the USA (admitted by many US/Pakistani politicians in recent months - Clinton and Zradari inclusive). US gave aid to Pak to create the problem during 1979-89. Then gave aid to contain the problem. Then aid to liberate Afghanistan... Then now giving aid to 'finish off' the militants???
The only result is that CONSISTENTØy the whole country is falling in teh hand sof taliban. BBC reports http://news.bbc.co.uk...that <<It is perhaps the sheer audacity of the attacks on security installations in Lahore - and in Rawalpindi just days earlier - that has taken the authorities by surprise.>>
Pakistani Govt is still playing with words... Some of them today accused India(!) as being behind the attacks. Hoem grown Taliban has gone out of control and the political leadership which supported them all along, is trying to make dubious allegations. The West led by the USA and now OBAMA (Peace Winner) is making a joke out of the whole drama.
If this continues, Obama's Peace Prize may have to be qualified as the Worthless ever peace prize!! Mr President is being manipulated by teh war lobby of Council On Foreign relations and the CIA! http://www.cfr.org/pu...report is misleading and cannot be trusted.
US Govt and the President, if honest - honest on Peace - should have got a clear assurance from Pakistani politicians and the military that they stop once and for all, their 'state-run' terrorism! ANy aid without this is going to de-stablize not only the region, but the entire world.
Anbefalt av 0Pakistan har startet anti-terror-offensiv 17.10.09 10:30
(Svar til: VJShah)
http://www.aftenposte...
<<Lokale myndigheter sier til BBC at rundt 30.000 bakkestyrker er satt inn i operasjonen, sammen med et ukjent antall stridsvogner. Disse skal kjempe mot Taliban, som antas å ha om lag 10.000 opprørere i området.>>
<<Lokale myndigheter sier til BBC at rundt 30.000 bakkestyrker er satt inn i operasjonen, sammen med et ukjent antall stridsvogner. Disse skal kjempe mot Taliban, som antas å ha om lag 10.000 opprørere i området.>>
Anbefalt av 0A bigger danger 18.10.09 00:18
(Svar til: VJShah)
http://www.vg.no/nyhe...
<<NRK-profil Noman Mubashir er bekymret for forholdene i Pakistan>>
<<- Det som er så trist er at Pakistan selv har skapt dette Frankenstein-monsteret, hvis man kjenner til den pakistanske historien vet man at det er pakistansk etteretning som i sin tid skapte Taliban. Det mest tragiske er at mullahene styrer landet nå, mener Mubashir.>>
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True enough. But many Pakistanis and well-wishers of the country are opening up only now, only when a sort of civil war is taking shape there! Most kept quiet when the country, its political leadership and miliary were actively and openly supporting and cooperating with same taliban or taliban-like groups in the 1980s and 90s.
I see a bigger danger which is un-noticed by the West. ie the country's intelligenitia's journey backward, victims of self-brainwashing. Fanaticism and backward looking thinking are well-rooted within the society, even among people who are themselves not direct terrorist suporters! Free thinking and opinon is almost non-existent. One of the very few, Irfan Husain (DAWN Colmnist, a rare person in Pakistan) once commented: "In the 50s I could see girls bycycling to the Lahore Womens College. Now such a sight is unthinkable!"
This backward-looking route has been nurtured and silently supported by some people from the West (ex-Pakistanis and some non-Pakistanis) for political reasons...Today they might be hiding by putting all the blame on a 'bunch of terrorists in NW Frontier!'
<<NRK-profil Noman Mubashir er bekymret for forholdene i Pakistan>>
<<- Det som er så trist er at Pakistan selv har skapt dette Frankenstein-monsteret, hvis man kjenner til den pakistanske historien vet man at det er pakistansk etteretning som i sin tid skapte Taliban. Det mest tragiske er at mullahene styrer landet nå, mener Mubashir.>>
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True enough. But many Pakistanis and well-wishers of the country are opening up only now, only when a sort of civil war is taking shape there! Most kept quiet when the country, its political leadership and miliary were actively and openly supporting and cooperating with same taliban or taliban-like groups in the 1980s and 90s.
I see a bigger danger which is un-noticed by the West. ie the country's intelligenitia's journey backward, victims of self-brainwashing. Fanaticism and backward looking thinking are well-rooted within the society, even among people who are themselves not direct terrorist suporters! Free thinking and opinon is almost non-existent. One of the very few, Irfan Husain (DAWN Colmnist, a rare person in Pakistan) once commented: "In the 50s I could see girls bycycling to the Lahore Womens College. Now such a sight is unthinkable!"
This backward-looking route has been nurtured and silently supported by some people from the West (ex-Pakistanis and some non-Pakistanis) for political reasons...Today they might be hiding by putting all the blame on a 'bunch of terrorists in NW Frontier!'
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